The following is a transcript of our second session with George Anderson:
GA = George Anderson
CC = Chuck Collins
KC = Kathy Collins
GA: Okay well immed...immediately…a ma….a male presence comes forward.
CC: Yes
GA: Umm ….actually there’s three and there’s a couple of females too. But out of the crowd a male presence comes forward first but it’s a younger male, yes?
CC: Yes
GA: ‘Cause this one tells me he’s younger and also tells me he did pass on young by today’s standards.
CC: Yes
GA: Does state he’s family to both of you.
CC: Yes
GA: Which I take it he is…. He embraces both of you so…um… Let…He states to me he’s the son that passed on….. Understood?…Well, the problem is he’s talking about it over there so he has to be somebody’s..… He’s not saying he’s yours. He’s just saying he is.
CC: Yes
GA: I don’t want to be a wise guy, but I ... I’m saying to you, he’s got to be somebody’s. But the thing is he states that he’s the son that passed on… Um…He does bring up his dad. Understood?
CC: Yes
GA: That he says he’s with his dad… understood? ... His dad is still on the earth?… Wait a minute, are we all in sync here because you seem confused?
CC: I’m not sure who he is.
GA: All right let’s …drop it then. I…If you.... if there’s confusion…if you’re not sure, I’d prefer you didn’t say yes, you could just say “I don’t know”
CC: Okay
GA: …you know it would be better because otherwise I’m going to go with it and they’re going to push forward with it…and ... No, but wait a minute…there is a younger male, yes?
CC: Yes
GA: Yeah because he’s telling me words to that effect ... he just like just flipped at me. He says, “Why are you stopping?” He says, “What’s the problem?”
CC: Yes
GA: …He’s like, “Start it over again,” he says there’s a younger male who passed. I’m like, “Okay, Okay….Don’t bite my head off.” All right, so let’s keep going then. Yeah, as he says the key is the one who passed over young by today’s standards.
CC: Yes
GA: You know…that’s who he says who he is. He doesn’t say but hopefully you understand that because he’s telling me. Yeah, he got very hostile with me. Not hostile but he got aggressive…like, “What are you doing? What do you mean you’re going to stop? Why… Why are you going to stop…..you know …What’s the problem?… Don’t tell me he doesn’t know, he knows.” I’m like ….”All right…All right….All right….Take it easy.” But he is your kin though, yes?
CC: Um….No
GA: Well, can I say by term of endearment, then?
CC: Yes
KC: Yes
GA: ‘Cause he’s arguing with me that he’s your family.
CC: Yes
KC: Yes
GA: And I changed his words. He came forward and said he is your family and I said he’s your kin. And when you said “No,” he says oh, oh …term of endearment … family. But “kin” makes it sound like blood kin. But he stated to me that he’s your family by choice. Because he embraced you as a brother…understood?
CC: Yes
GA: He’s not your brother…understood?
CC: Yes
GA: But term of endearment-wise he is. That’s why he….That’s why he’s coming through as family. Now that’s the thing. You may not know about his family, if his father’s passed or whatever …So he tells me let’s just drop all of that because you may not be able to confirm that information, he states to me. Besides, as he says, it’s really not necessary, he was just trying to establish that fact. But he brings up…yeah, he’s your friend. Yes? Because that’s what he states…he’s your buddy.
CC: Yes
GA: But a brother by choice.
CC: Yes.
GA: Apparently, you and he were pretty close, yes?
KC: (whispers…..Steve?)
CC: Yes
GA: Because as he brings up…you know….You were beyond acquaintance.
CC: Yes
GA: So apparently, you were pretty good friends. Even if you weren’t bosom buddies, you were buddies, but you were pretty good friends and he states again that he’s very near. …….. Yeah, because he passed over young and tragically?
CC: Yes
GA: In the sense of his age, as well as circumstances. You know him also, yes?
KC: Yes
GA: Yes, because he keeps saying hello to you. Because I’m making eye contact here he doesn’t want you to think you are being left out in the shadows….because he called out to you then you know who he is…Yeah, and again embraces both of you as his family…by choice.
CC: Yes
GA: Apparently somebody you met or knew personally.….He just comes forward to say hello to both of you. Also thanks you for being a good pal to him when he was on the earth…You know you may not think you did any big deal, but to him apparently it was. And it’s the simple things that turn out to be the most profound……………….. Also too a female presence moves forward, yes?”
CC: Yes
GA: Who is family though.
CC: Yes
GA: …but real mccoy.
CC: Yes
GA: Who embraces both of you with love…And again a younger one, yes?
CC: Yes
GA: ‘Cause…hmmm….It’s interesting because this friend of yours who came forward first, he says like you were always good to him on the earth and one good turn deserves another. He wanted to have the privilege of coming forward and greeting you, yes, but wanted to be the one to bring this female forward.
CC: Yes
GA: Because it would be special to you…It’s like him doing you a favor. It’s like you know I…I can pay him back for being good to me I can do this. So it’s like one hand shaking the other. Now she embraces both of you with love, yes?
KC: Yes
GA: ‘Cause she comes in as your blood family.
CC: Yes
GA: And that means a lot. She is saying, “I’m real mccoy kin.” She says, “You can use the word with me”…..Actually ‘cause this…that friend of yours over there with her, he’s like …over there…he comes to her like a term of endearment uncle. You know, even though it’s not, it’s again family by choice. Because she says they’ve become friendly over there …..He’s a good soul and he’s helped her to help herself….ah, Wait,…She comes forward as the daughter that passed on.
CC: Yes
GA: To you all.
KC: Yes
CC: Yes
GA: That’s where I goofed before. I’m glad he yelled at me and said, “No, don’t stop…What are you doing,” you know…because I heard him say something about dad and I thought he was trying to tell me his dad was….Because he said something about dad being here…And I thought he was trying to tell me that his dad was with him over there. Like over there here. And that’s why you seemed confused, he kind of said... like no no, you’re doing…because he was trying to tell me she was coming forward, her dad is here. You're in the room in front of me, he says, that’s why I heard them talking about it. And I jumped…I impatiently jumped to what I thought he meant instead of letting him finish. Because he says he just wanted the privilege of being a nice guy and bringing your daughter to you. And so, as he states, you would..might not have expected that but that’s what he wanted to do. So he started to say to her over there, “Your dad is here, I’ve broken through, I’ve made the connection.” And she was going to move forward and that’s when everything got scattered. So good thing it shaped up. Yeah, because he blew a fuse when I was ready to back him off and say because he said you’re going to disrupt the flow of it and now that he explains it I can certainly understand why he was so determined that it was all going to come across this way.…..Your daughter speaks of a tragic passing yes?
CC: Yes
GA: In the sense of her age as well as circumstances.
CC: Yes
GA: She was very close with both of you, yes?
KC: Yes
GA: I mean, she jokes, at times she gave you a run for your money.
KC: Yes
GA: But she certainly embraces both of you with love that your …your…your relationship is much more harmonious than not. You know you’re good friends as well as parents and daughter.
CC: Yes
GA: Now she describes her passing as accidental, yes?
CC: Yes
GA: And beyond her control.
CC: Yes
GA: However, she says she had injury to the head?…..But more internally?
CC: Yes
GA: Because it feels like my air got cut off. Understood?….Well she says there was injury to the head but more internally.
CC: Yes
GA: Like nothing was going into the brain. So something must have cut oxygen flow off, or response or whatever….But she keeps insisting the passing is accidental.
CC: Yes
GA: And even though it is accidental she just wants to make sure the two of you understand that it was her time to pass on. Because again it’s an accident…You will see it differently. You’re going to see it’s like being at the wrong place at the wrong time. And so she states no she says she’s at the right place at the right time. Because the accident she states merely becomes the passport that gets her to where she is supposed to go. Because as she states, even though she had a short life as we would understand it, she argues that she had a fulfilling life….and she had an… an accomplished life. So as she states, it’s not the years of your life, it’s the life in your years. That’s what counts. You all may feel as though she was kind of cheated out of her life. She states no…this is …..She was here for a short span of time as we would see it, but a fulfilling span of time….Now she does state she has come in dreams, yes?
KC: Yes
GA: She does insist that she’s reached out and even if you don’t recall, that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. You just may not recall…………..uh...She keeps saying the accident was no one’s fault. Understood?
CC: Yes
GA: That’s what she states. She keeps saying… repeating to me it’s an accident. Now she speaks of falling, yes?
CC: No
GA: No, no. Not from a building but she states that she fell out of consciousness.
CC: Yes
GA: Understood?
CC: Yes
GA: Not that she fell like we would think, but she’s telling me that she fell to her passing meaning like falling out of consciousness. Apparently, from the accident something kind of knocks her unconscious. She …like, like somebody falling asleep, just drifting away. But St. Joseph appears in the room to signify a happy passing… in spite of the tragedy of the circumstances, she still admits that she has a happy, peaceful passing. And St. Joseph represents that. It does not have anything to do with religion, it just means that he’s the representative of that…..Yeah, but again she does state she did have ….even though you may think she was shortchanged …. she does say that she had a fulfilling life on the earth. Now if you look at it you see because even when she was here she admits that she was always rather in a hurry, almost like somebody who knew “not going to be here that long” in the back of her mind. So she did her best and accomplished …she jokes with me that she wouldn’t have had the patience to be here for a long time (slight laugh). She’d want to get it done and go back. Because she says over there she is kind of like on a vacation but she also is a very um… energized individual because she says she immediately like has gone to work over there. She… you know, fits right in and adapts, she’s a survivor, okay, but she likes the fact she can do it at her own pace...on her own terms…and she says basically anything she wants ….because she claims she works with animals over there…She also says she has worked with young people…like with children, you know anything I want I don’t have to spend a hundred years in school to be credited to do the job. She says you just have to feel and recognize your own capacity and capabilities and there you go, it’s yours……..She also thanks for the memorial too. Understood?
CC: Yes
GA: And the planting.
CC: Yes
KC: Yes
GA: Because a tree grows in front of me so either a tree was planted or something that took root in her remembrance.
KC: Yes
GA: And that something she says she blooms here again. Something blooms in her remembrance to um and grows to show that she..she..she’s like physically alive here again in that...in that memorial…in that remembrance…..She also spoke of a tremendous show-up at her wake and funeral.
CC: Yes
GA: So apparently you got to see that she knew everybody and everybody knew her. And that she was also very well liked and respected………Yes, she had a lot of friends too, yes?
CC: Yes
GA: She does tell me she knew everybody and everybody knew her and she calls out….….It’s funny, I thought I heard the name Michelle said. Understood?
CC: No
KC: No
GA: I’m not sure that that’s what I heard, but that’s what it sounded like to me ehh…let me drop it then because I am not even sure what I heard. It sounded like that to me or my brain interpreted okay that’s one of the things it heard but…… Also too, your daughter impresses me that her first name is short?...Well, let me explain something to you. When it comes down to the name department, I’m inclined to always dwell on formal names. She’s telling me her first name is short. I would interpret…I’m…..that I’m inclined to say that her formal name would have to be eight letters or less.
CC: Yes
KC: Yes
GA: Which I take it, it is..And that’s why I would consider that short in the formal name sense…She may mean it another way. But that’s what I’m going to think. She shows seven letters……but actually less than?
KC: No
GA: Oh so it is seven?
KC: Eight
GA: Oh…Oh…sorry…..Oh….That’s right she says …never mind…I did not even realize what I said
KC: Yes
GA: Eight letters or less
KC: Right
GA: Sorry…and when she said formal name would be eight letters or less, I am thinking less. So when she showed seven …she was like…..I saw seven…she was like….”Noooo” and I’m like, “I guess it must be seven.” Sorry. She just kind of complained to me. She says you just said formal name to be recognized as eight letters or less. In this case it’s eight letters. All right. Take it easy. I’m allowed one mistake or misunderstanding….Ah….I don’t know if she is kidding around but she claims she does not have the most common first name?
CC: Yes
GA: Well it is obviously not Mary but she tells….I have heard it in my life though.
CC: Yes
KC: Yes
GA: She does tell me yes but it is not something I hear all the time. It’s not a common name ….like you know….Mary or Kathy….
KC: Right
GA: Also heard the name Chris too….understood?
CC: Yes
GA: But passed on?
CC: No
KC: No
GA: It’s somebody she would know though, yes?
KC: Yes
GA: From here? Okay so anytime they tell me a name if they don’t tell me on the earth I’m going to jump that direction that they mean over there. But she called to Chris so apparently it is a friend or somebody that she knows here. Because she does tell me again that she knows everybody and everybody knows her. So she may very well be calling out…just like tell Chris you heard from me…..I also heard the name Brittany too. Understood?
KC: No
GA: Well she did call out so I am going to leave it with you. It just may be somebody you don’t know who it is right now. She did seem to call out but again I know you can’t remember in two seconds everybody she knew friend and acquaintance so I’ll leave it with you. But Chris seems to have been close. Or at least you know that they know each other because you can obviously identify her so again she calls out to this friend…… Wait a minute, this puzzles me…your daughter just said she only has one name, correct? That eight-letter name is one name. So that’s making me wonder. I just want to make sure her name is not like Mary Lou. You know what I am saying. Because she is telling me it’s one name. To give me the feeling like it could be two names in one.
KC: It’s one name
GA: Okay, but could it ah.. maybe it could sound like…uh…….I don’t want to get into it because the thing is it could let it puzzle me. ……..Also you have other children?
CC: Yes
GA: ‘Cause she does call out to family. So I take it you have another child or children whatever she does call out to sibling or siblings. Just so that again it’s a tough time to be a bereaved sibling as well because of the fact that it can be scary. It makes you feel your own mortality and almost think, like….you know…. But she talks about she doesn’t want the other her sibling or siblings too um….She doesn’t want them to resent their own lives. Certainly know that they are on their own journey...their own spiritual journey and should be going on…with that accordingly……. I also heard the name Jennifer too, understood?
CC: Yes
GA: Its sounds like Jen or Jennifer but on the earth though again?
KC: Yes
GA: Because it did seem like there’s like nobody passed on. I…I didn’t think so.
KC: No
GA: I just want to make sure I’m not jumping the gun. ‘Cause I heard her call the name Jen or Jennifer but apparently is calling somebody here. I just want to make sure that I am not doing the wrong thing by her, but she didn’t seem to complain so I figure I am, I’m doing the right thing, but again another friend or such apparently that she calls out to……Because both of you do pray for her in your own way, yes?
CC: Yes
GA: Which she certainly does thank you for asking that you please continue ….. um ….it’s not that you’re religious but this is about being spiritual, but as your daughter also has nothing to do with religion but the blessed mother comes to you as one bereaved mother to another. Somebody who knows exactly what you are going through and reaches out to you from the hereafter in a comforting sense to help you to help yourself through this ordeal. Also she does speak, there is loss of another child? But before birth?
CC: Yes
KC: Yes
GA: Because she does tell me there is another soul there with her who would be the other child that passed on. Now I don’t know if she means, don’t tell me, I don’t know if she means you or somebody else, but you know what she is talking about.
CC: Yes
GA: She claims that the soul is there with her. That had the cycle of birth continued she gives me the impression this person would be like a sibling to her. So it very well could be yourself because ….oh wait a minute….now I think maybe I under……. she spoke of a brother. Understood? …..No, I mean on the earth she has a sister, yes?
CC: No
KC: No
GA: She’s speaking of a brother?
KC: That’s on earth.
GA: Oh, okay….but counting her, you have two children?
KC: No
GA: Why is she saying brother? I’m mixed up. She said there were two…Oh, you have two children on the earth now?
CC: Yes
GA: Oh, sorry….’Cause I am saying what is she telling me there are two for and then there’s not and she says because you decided to count me…
KC: Slight laugh
GA: with who’s on the earth. But she has brothers?
KC: Yes
GA: That’s what she is trying to tell me. There is two of the same gender, two brothers. Okay. Yes, she’s….that’s…she’s your one and only….daughter.
KC: Yes
GA: That’s why she says it hits home so bad you not only lose your daughter, but you lose your only daughter. Because she does speak of also this loss before birth, this miscarriage. It’s speculation but she also claims had the cycle of birth continued there would have been a son. So like you would have had my three sons.
KC: Yes
GA: And that’s what she was seeking…that’s what was confusing me. She was trying to explain to me that soul was a boy or a brother but she was also telling me she is the only sister…And I thought she was trying to explain she had a brother and sister. You know I was getting mixed up. That’s why when she said there’s two, I counted her, she says no there’s two on the earth now counting me there’s three. Counting the other there’s four, but she says technically, the ones you know counting her there’s three. But she calls to her two brothers who she was close with.
KC: Yes
GA: And she does reach out to them because again she knows it is tough to be a bereaved sibling….I also heard the name Stephanie….
KC: There’s a Stephanie
GA: On the earth, though?
KC: Yes
GA: Because again, she called out. She…. funny I did say it slowly because it must not have been like the closest, closest friend. But somebody she knew.
KC: Yes
GA: Because she did say kind of like….sssssss….like that….Not that she’s putting her down, but …. It’s just…she calls out to her in any case…..I also heard the name Stephen too….Yes? Steve or Stephen? Is he passed on?
KC: Stephen?
CC: Yeah
KC: There is one
GA: Oh yeah, because the two of you were like…I was surprised because you weren’t saying yes, because I saw you hesitating and your daughter, you might have been thinking on the earth….and your daughter immediately interjected to me this one is definitely here with me. She said he is not on the earth. That this is Steve or Stephen. It’s that pal….that she says he’s a friend of hers. Like the one that came in at the beginning or something?
KC: Yes
GA: Because that’s what she states. She says he’s the uncle term of endearment. She says he’s my pal, he’s my friend, and I’m like
CC: Yes
GA: And then she’s like reminding me…she says, “Don’t you remember?” because I forgot already. Sorry (slight laugh), But she says don’t you remember that you spoke to him. And I said, “No I didn’t, I don’t remember any Steve.” She said “Yes, the first male who came forward. My father’s friend...my father’s buddy”…She says who was happy to bring me forward to you know, do a good turn by my dad… and I’m like…oh that’s right. But he didn’t tell me….I didn’t remember him telling me his name and I guess he didn’t. But this is Steve….This is Steven….That he’s there with your daughter………….…All right….I won’t judge it…. I…I…….somehow I don’t feel it’s right….It sounded like I heard the name Francis, but…Mean anything at all?
KC: Francis?……….No.
GA; All right I must have heard it wrong, I’m going to drop it all together. …But again, Steve, Steven wants to um…clarify himself with a name so you know it’s him. He calls out that he’s there with your daughter. ‘Cause there’s other people in the background like grandparents and whatever…to her. They know you lost your parents….whatever but they know you came to hear from your daughter. So yes, we are here with her, she is not alone, she’s come to visit us. We’re all together but they’re trying to stay in the background that they don’t hog any time from her. Unless…you know…she, you know, allows the breaks in there…but… it’s up to your friend, he was the one who really wanted to do you this favor. Also I heard the name Jackie too. Understood?
CC: No
KC: No
GA: Seems to be on the earth though. I’m going to leave it with you anyway, just in case. You know it may be somebody you just can’t think of right now. It sounded like she called Jack or Jackie. That’s what it sounded like to me but she did push…..on the earth…so I am going to leave it go. Uh……Wait a minute………let’s see…..I did say the name Michelle already, yes?
KC: Yes
GA: I did hear it again, but it doesn’t mean anything? …
KC: No
GA: Unless I’m hearing it wrong…but that’s what it sounds like to me. …I also heard the name Daniel, too. Understood?
CC: Here?
GA: On the earth?
CC: Yes
GA: Like your daughter would know.
CC: Yes
GA: She’s the one who called the name. Your daughter is calling out to Dan or Daniel but she also has congratulations around him. You may not know but that’s what she stated, you understand?
CC: Yes
GA: Oh good, glad you do because I don’t know if this means anything to you, but sorry. She says I wouldn’t say it if it didn’t. But she stated congratulations and she extended white roses to him so she must be hearing some sort of happy news or has heard some sort of happy news that affects him most singularly….or personally … because she calls out in congratulations to him.…(cough) …….Something must be changing his life or highlighting his life in a very pleasant manner. (inaudible) There’s a reason for joyfulness ……………I’m just going to listen so bear with me………(inaudible)…………………………………………………..…Well this puzzles me…your daughter said A B C D to me and she stopped, understood? But in regards to the first letter of her name, she says. The first letter of her name is beyond the D?
KC: Yes
GA: Okay, Because that’s what she stated,…why that cluster of letters?................. …………yeah, I’m confused…..I hate playing...(inaudible)…I’ll get it another way. There must be a way you can capture my attention without really trying so hard. …Also too, um…..Don’t be cynical, but your daughter wishes you a happy trip. Now it doesn’t mean coming here. And she just encourages you to go. The reason…I mean you know it may be something I’m sure you’ll go some place eventually.
KC: Yeah (slight laugh)
GA: But, the thing is, it’s just that she just does not ever want you to think you have no right to like, enjoy your life. To go with the flow of your life…you know like there is nothing irreverent or feeling disrespectful if that opportunity comes and you do it because that’s the point of her message is with that message is that she wants to make sure that you always recognize it’s okay to be happy…..okay to be happy … go on with your life. You have to. As she states she is not saying that to be insensitive but you don’t have much of a choice. ..And she wants you to be happy and go on with your lives. She keeps telling me to let you know that she’s all right and in a happy, safe place. And she says she always wants to make sure that the two of you put yourselves into a safe place. And also with regard to her brothers, she jokes with you…..you’re the mother, but don’t smother. Her passing has done one ironic blessing. It’s taken away all of your fears. What’s the worse that could happen to you now.
KC: Right
GA: Nothing. Death. The unification with her…Reunion with her, I mean…and so she states that this is nothing to be afraid of anymore. That is the one liberating thing about becoming a bereaved parent. Except that she says you are like sometimes the fear that it could happen again. But she says it’s not going to so …..liberated from fear and that is why she wants to make sure her brothers always never resent their own lives or feel like their sister was short…You know that she did not get her chance. Because she says she finished. Their lives are their own as individuals and they are supposed to go on with those lives.….And that’s what she wants to make sure that they always joyfully and happily without fear, always accomplish and fulfill in their own direction. Because she claims she is very much like around as a guardian angel, which should not surprise you in the least.
KC: Right
GA: She doesn’t give me the impression she is telling you anything you don’t already know. ‘Cause she jokes that you do pray for her in your own way. But very on the sly. It is like between you and your daughter.
CC: Yes
GA: Because you have prayed to Christ on her behalf. Correct?
CC: Yes
GA: And our lord did appear behind you and state, “Peace be with you and peace be with your daughter also.” But your daughter states she gets a kick out of it because it is very personal between you and your daughter. You know…You don’t advertise it, you don’t tell people. You don’t wear your grief on your sleeve. You don’t have to put on any shows. And also too, like your daughter states you are the type of man you just keep your grief to yourself. You know, it is a private thing for you because your daughter shows me a scene out of this old movie called the “Trouble with Angels” where in the movie, a death takes place and some of the other characters think one of the other characters is very um, cold about it because she shows no emotion…until one of them sees her dealing with her grief in private and your daughter shows me that scene to represent you, that, that you, you handle it in private between you and your daughter…..everybody doesn’t have to know. Also too as she states, she knows you may feel you didn’t have a chance to say goodbye to her. But as she brings up, there are no goodbyes here. And also, sometimes don’t feel especially you might feel at times that you don’t get enough signs from her… And she says and yet you talk to her all of the time. So there’s a sign because you are feeling her presence and it prompts you to speak to me, she says. So again, she brings up that she’s always near…..Also, she does speak of your retiring. …but not going out to pasture.
CC: Yes
GA: Because she did extend golden roses to you congratulating you on retirement but immediately added that you are not going out to pasture. So something must be changing with your work or career that you do retire and but you’re still working.
CC: Yes
GA: You’re still going on…which is good…because it keeps you focused. She also speaks about you working as well, yes?
KC: Yes
GA: And encourages you to stay put. You know, sometimes you might have thought you would be better off at home. But, as she states, you’ll have too much time to think. But you know you do reflect and you can have your moments in silence also. So your daughter impresses you to go on…um…with your own life in the sense of keeping yourself focused because each day will be one day less…You know it kind of gives you a ……keeps your mind focused in the direction of moving ahead……………(sighs)….…… She also…..I don’t know what she did but she put the letter J in front of me, understood?
KC: J?
GA: Oh wait a minute….sounds like she’s calling to J. Must be someone she knew here on the earth who’s known as J or their name is J, that’s the only thing I can think of ummm it sounds like she was calling J. And I thought she meant the letter and she’s like, “No it’s like the name”……………Yeah, it’s going to drive me bana……Well I’m going to leave it with you because…
KC: Could be….Could be a J.
GA: She is like, holding her ground. I am like, all right. One thing about your daughter, you don’t want to argue with her (slight laugh). A few times they’re kind of like, “Are you sure you know what you are doing and she was like, “just leave it with them.” She says, “They can’t remember everything in a second.” She says…”even if they know what they’re doing we may not right away.” And she says, it doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I go, “okay.” Wait…she’s telling me to watch the spelling of her name.
CC: Yes
GA: That’s what she keeps telling me..It’s throwing my subconscious off the track. Obviously her name is spelled differently?
KC: Yes
GA: And that’s….because its funny she says I’m trying to get it in……She says, “That’s why I wanted your brain to understand it’s eight letters. Because you may spell”….Oh, I would spell it with less?
KC: Yes
GA: That’s what she said….why she showed seven before she’s trying to clue me that even though it’s eight letters, I may say, “oh it’s this” and I will lessen it. And so she said she’s trying there’s the conflict I’m having. You know it’s like somebody says to me the name is Sean- I spell it S E A N but it can be spelled other ways. You know, but I don’t think that. I think only the way I think it is spelled. ….Let’s see …what……This is making me crazy….Let’s see, I can’t understand her. She pushes me more toward the end of the alphabet, yes?…well not x y z.
CC: Yes
GA: but like probably you know…..oh….beyond the N?
KC: Yes,
GA: That’s what she probably means…I’m thinking she’s saying N and she probably means go past it….go to the end. Okay so it is correct…I wasn’t sure, I couldn’t tell… Not the extreme end, correct?
CC: Yes
GA: Like she says she doesn’t mean like X, Y or Z da…da…da………..so it’s probably over that threshold …..Oh come on….It’s driving me crazy here just …She’s putting in…..She’s at least not wrong. I would have cut…..stopped it immediately once it started sounding like, you know, it goes this way….no it goes that way….but she’s doing the right things …so, she’s telling me “Just listen.” She says, “Don’t try so hard.” She keeps telling me the spelling is the problem. She says, “You’re going to think it’s this way because your brain is training …trained itself that that’s the way to do it.”… Also heard the name Pat too, understood? From before it sounds like she’s calling out….Again might be somebody she’s known…You know I also think she was very involved.
KC: Yes
GA: So this is another reason she knows that you can’t remember. You know she could have been involved in extracurricular groups or whatever, especially since she…..I am glad she at least explains that to me. Because again these could be people that she knew from all her involvements and you don’t know who they are right now. So I don’t want to, um...you know, just give her a hard time because of that. ……The end of her name changes?
KC: Yes
GA: That’s what she….like I may spell it one way and …
CC: Yes
GA: The end is the problem. Because she joked to me she was trying to bring it in ass backwards. Because she realizes that the end is different.…No…..uh….that could be because she changed it but….there’s no Y at the end. True?
KC: Right
GA: There is not? …(inaudible)..
KC: There is not.
GA: There is not, okay. Because that’s what it is she said …the end…like she was showing me that but I think it was just an example to show it changes. Okay, I just want to make sure I don’t look over something....Maybe she put the letter S in front of it, understood?….Wait there is a cluster of letters in her name……I also heard the name Rebecca too. Understood?
KC: No
GA: Well she did call…..Well I heard like Becky…so it could be short for Rebecca…but she did call out so I am going to have to just leave it with you. That may be someone…you know again maybe…family or friend but I think it is more friend. She seems….She had her family by choice that she was very close with and I think she was calling out more to friends…because again, she also reports that she doesn’t want people to be frightened by her passing. People of her own age group, they see it again that she was shortchanged or they see her death as the end. They don’t see it as a continuation. They don’t see it as like, “I graduated and moved on,” it’s like as she says, “I could have moved on to another country”…..Also, someone named Vicky or Victoria, understood?
CC: Yes
KC: Yes
GA: But here again?
CC: Yes
GA: Because again, she calls, again it could be Vicky or Victoria…I mean, I don’t know, it could be, I have a bad habit of formalizing names, I heard Vicky, I made it Victoria but, she does call out to her. It’s like, “Tell her you’ve heard from me again.” Because some friends still have touch with you?
KC: Yes
GA: Some do but she says most people have kind of gone their merry way.
KC: Yes
GA: So she states, “Just don’t take it personally.” Because as she brings up too, it’s sad because it would be like a link with her in the physical sense, but as she brings up, you know people also get scared. They pull away from not knowing how to handle the situation. You’ve got the bug. Can we get it too? You know…
CC: Yes
GA: So a lot of people have lent their support and then have backed off or gone their own way. So she says never take it offensively. Or um ……you know, don’t feel violated by it…You know she had a lot of friends…She might have had a lot of friends or acquaintances, some still may keep in touch. But, most have kind of faded. At times it was surprising, she says, for you all but not to ...well they go on with their lives that’s what it all it is. As she states because everybody meets again. Funny, I also heard the name Tiffanie too, yes?
CC: Yes
GA: Your daughter?
KC: Yes
GA: No wonder she’s pissed at me. I heard her for the last fifteen minutes and I …wait but how would you….T I F F A N I E ?
KC: Yes
CC: Yes
GA: That’s the problem. That’s why she …. That’s why you heard me say in the middle that she was complaining that the ending…that’s why she showed me the Y I E. I should have told you what she was showing to me. She said, because she said to me, “My name is Tiffanie,” and I said, “Oh T I F F A N Y,” and she says, “No the ending is different.” And of course, I gave her an argument. And she said, “I spell it where it ends not in the Y but the I E.”… and that’s… So I was having these quiet conversations with her. And….when….and I just said my mind. I’ve never seen the name spelled in an I E. So I gave her an argument…I blocked it out. I can’t believe how dumb that was. Waiting…you know, killed myself, you know, wondering what she meant and she’s telling me the information. Because she’s telling me that …show me the..That’s why I brought the Y up. I said, It doesn’t end in Y,” and she said, and you said, “Yes, it doesn’t,” and she says, “That’s what I’m showing you. It doesn’t…..It ends in the sound, but not the letter.” And she says, “Your brain thinks it ends,’ but I think she realized that I got frustrated, so I said, “Look, let’s just quit if you can’t get it in, don’t keep, you know …I don’t want to play this fishing hop-around game.” It was not making sense. She says, “All right I will just keep calling out to my friends.” She says, ”I’ll find a way.” And all the sudden after what she just said I can remember before she gave her name she sat there and she said, “You want to try it again?” And I said in my mind, “What?” And she said, “What my name is.” She says, “Because I told you ten, fifteen minutes ago and you just completely decided no it’s wrong.” I said, “Okay what is it?” She said, “It’s Tiffanie.” And she says, and I said again about the….. and she says, “Why don’t you just,” because I kind of forgot about that too and she says, “Why don’t you just say the name to them. They’re going to say no to you if it is wrong, right? Or they don’t know.” I said, “Okay, fine.” Tiffanie…yes…She says, “Okay, I got you.”.And then she said, “I told you it was spelled differently at the end as what you would spell it.” She says, “I gave you the example of the I E not A N Y...but because your brain decided it has never seen it spelled that way, it was wrong.” ” That’s why I’m laughing because she says to me, “How do you expect me to give it to you if every time I give it to you, you tell me no, it’s wrong?” Because she made a comment, she said, “I think I know my own name.” Also at times was called Tiffie? Or would people do that kidding around? It seems she’s basically you all called her by her formal name. Because the thing is…she was trying to alter it so there might have been some sort of nickname connected …Even if I am doing it wrong…..
KC: Yes
GA: Okay, sorry again. She just told me to listen to her she says, “You’re doing it wrong. You’re putting in what you think connects.” but even though her given Christian name is Tiffanie, she’s telling me that she was known by a nickname.
KC: Yes
GA: Which is a breakdown of her own name?
KC: Yes
GA: So she says just leave it alone. Because maybe I don’t know what the nickname of Tiffanie is. Also she puts the….she puts the letter C in front of me too ...yes?
C: Yes.
KC: C ?
GA: Correct?
(inaudible)
CC: Yes, yes.
GA: To do with her name?
CC: Yes
GA: You understand
CC: Yes
(inaudible)
KC: Maybe....
CC: ...to do with her name, yes.
GA: Okay sorry, because I don’t see what C has to do with Tiffanie. But you say it does. Oh wait a minute, she…you might not, I don't know, you might remember….do you remember...do you remember ..(inaudible).. years ago when I was a kid they had that cartoon at night “Top Cat?” You probably don’t remember but “T.C.”
CC: Yes
GA: Top Cat was known by his crowd as TC. She pulled that out. She found that in my brain. Wow, I haven’t thought about that since I was in elementary school. But she said, um… she said that’s what she’s referring to. She’s saying that so it must have to do with her second or last name.
KC: Yes
GA: Because she jokes at me that she showed me the old TV show Top Cat and she said, That was known….he was known as what, by his little cat gang.” I said TC? She says, “There you go. That’s what I’m trying to show you.”… that’s her initials. She’s TC but not top cat. (Slight laugh)….Yeah, she states again the nickname she would use is a breakdown of Tiffanie.
KC: Yes
GA: So she’s telling me just leave it at that for now. Because again she could have been called Fanny or something, I don’t know, but she’s bringing it up that it is a breakdown of her actual name. She says to just trust her with that. Because now that she, I have listened to her finally after fifteen minutes (slight laugh)...She ummm …Jeeeez you would think after all these years I would just listen to what they say and say it instead of putting in what I think is the right thing. But as she brings up um again she calls to her brothers and friends now that she says I’ve listened to her…. she says, “Tell them all you’ve heard from Tiffanie.” Also too she remarks that she’s very close at this time of the year. This is the time of the year when things can be the hardest.
KC: Yes
GA: Christmas
KC: Yes
GA: You hate Thanksgiving coming up…It starts that whole cycle all over again. Where she knows you almost wish you could sleep until after New Years Day. (Slight laugh)….you know…just to get through it because it’s an empty time. It seems like everybody else has the completion except you all. But she says the best she can do is let both of you know that indeed she is very near at this time of year. Physically, you’d rather have that. But she says this is the best I can do and it’s better than nothing. That she is indeed closer to all of you than you can imagine. Yeah…is one of her brothers going through a little bit of a trial?
CC: Yes
GA: Now it just seems…because she is saying this too will pass. Not anything horrible but as she states, one of her brothers she thinks is going through a difficult time. Maybe trial, not trial like in court, but the thing is she states that he is going through an unsettled or difficult time ‘cause she says he’ll find his way like this too will pass. It’s just a question of falling into that pattern that you know as he finds his way through the unsettled times…like any of us in life, he will find his direction. And things will balance out for the better…………… Collins.
KC: Yes
GA: She’s……She’s Tiffanie Collins.
CC: Yes
GA: Because she just showed me… Do you remember the old Dark Shadows?
CC: Yes
GA: That’s what she showed me. I used to be a big fan of Dark Shadows. Matter of fact, still have some of it on the DVD’s. I remember racing home from high school to get to see every episode. And she kept showing me you know Dark Shadows and I’m like, “Why are you showing me Dark Shadows for? I think your parents are too young to remember,” and she’s like, “No, no, no, they remember.” So she said, “Just what..what was Dark Shadows about?” And then it hit me: the C, the Collins family. She said Collins, Tiffanie Collins. ‘Cause I started thinking of the characters in it. Oh my God, I remember the characters and the actors and she says, “No the family’s name.” Collinwood…Collins. Oh that’s right. TC. Your daughter does have a good sense of humor though, yes?
KC: Yes
GA: She jokes with me. She said, “I am talking to the living, aren’t I?”
CC: (Slight laugh)
GA: Again, she ….yeah, she was kind of an animal person?
KC: Yes
GA: Because she keeps again bringing up that she’s landed a career that she’s very happy with that she works with animals in the hereafter. Especially ones who have come over there who have been short-changed in life here,in life.. She says who haven’t gotten the break they deserve…(inaudible ) people. So she says she is very successful with it. You have one of your boys graduating? But career wise…Well career could be student too so I have to keep that in mind because that could be his career right now. But she says one of her brothers graduates career-wise because she does congratulate him again with the white rose that he goes up the elevator…he makes the graduation but yet still continues.
KC: Yes
GA: Because she says he goes up the elevator to the next floor…but he is still in the hotel. So if not literally, symbolically. So that means that you know he is still where he is but going to the next level. And that’s congratulations. So with that, there may be a lot of unsettlement. Because it’s stress and the wanting to achieve. But she says, (inaudible).. “He’s growing, he’s making it. He’s going up the elevator.” And that’s why she says, “Tell him to just keep going with the flow,” that he keeps jumping ahead. Funny, though, she states he may change his emphasis of study even though he stays in the arena. Maybe more emphatic into another area of it….you know, for example, let’s say he’s becoming a doctor, you might say his practice will go more towards psychiatry as opposed to MD. You know it’s uh…you know…general practitioner. It’s something like that… something changes she says within the area but he still stays in the area. He may just have a different preference or direction to do with it. But she says he is going through the unsettled time, there’s a lot of change that’s growing but happy, but she says, “This too will pass. It is a question of just keep moving ahead.” And she certainly wishes him and her other brother well in their pursuit of their lives up ahead. Your daughter also showed a little teddy bear, understood? ….Well it can be a sign of affection so if it has nothing particular to you than that’s what it is, it’s a little sign of affection, or um…that she sends that to you as joyfulness as a sign of affection. Actually, you have, somebody has said the rosary for her?...Well she didn’t say who, she said somebody. Well somebody might have.
CC: Right.
GA: You may not know. Again, it has nothing to do with anybody being Catholic or anything like this, it is spirituality. Somebody must have offered it up on her behalf and she jokes even if they did it once. But she does express gratitude for it because it’s....Also, too, this tragedy happened near home? Or like where she was supposed to be?
CC: Her tragedy?
GA: Yeah
CC: Yes
GA: Because she talks about it happening near home.
CC: Yes
KC: Yes
GA: Which makes it all the more tragic.
CC: Yes.
GA: Because it's like five more minutes and she would have been safely where .... you know what I am saying …where she would have been….As she says, because of the fact that it happened near home makes it even more tragic. Because that's supposed to be where everything is all well. Not tragedy, tragedy is not supposed to take place there. That’s the ...you know safety zone. Yeah, because again she says that she passed in a sleep-like state.
CC: Yes
GA: She must have been gone out of consciousness or….the fall…ah…..the falling out of consciousness, like falling asleep. Because she talks about falling again like she went out of consciousness. But again insists the passing is accidental.
CC: Yes
GA: Just in case somebody had any other ideas or suspicions.
KC: Right
GA: Understood?
KC: Yes
GA: She pushes that accidental bit on you…you know there is no smoking gun here. It's accidental, its exactly as she states. So there must be a reason she is being very emphatic about that. For your sakes especially.….Yeah again…uh….also a Mary but passed on...?
KC: Excuse me?
GA: I heard the name Mary that seems to be passed on. It sounds like a Mary or Marie.
KC: There is a Mary.
GA: Somebody walked in, you know, that’s been in the room but doesn’t want to cut Tiffanie off and stated she was with your daughter. She stated she’s Mary or Marie…She comes to your daughter in a motherly essence like her aunt, grandmother, something like this.
KC: Yes
GA: And she says, “I just want to let you know I am here with her. So you know she’s not by herself.” They...they don’t want to come forward and like take the whole. They want, to like watch, but Mary comes to her like a grandmother. And she states that the two of them are together. So Mary states, “Look at it that Tiffanies gone away to visit me. This way you know where she is. You know she is in good and loving hands. She’s in a happy safe place.” But as your daughter states, the two of you she’s more concerned about the two of you being in a happy safe place within yourselves. Because she…like she jokes that you still worry about her.
KC: Yes
GA: And she says, “I’m the last one you have to worry about. I’m in the happy safe place.” She says when you put your head on your pillow tonight, comfort yourself with the recognition that you know one of your children, no struggle, completely happy, no harm, completely safe place. What more could a parent ask for? She says, she jokes, “You worry about me,” she says, “I’m in the happy safe place. You want something to worry about turn the news on.” She says, “You people have ….are not in the hap... happy safe place. Not like over here,” she states. And as she says, “What parent doesn’t want to know that one of their children is and always will be completely all around all right?” And she says, “That, I am.” Again she knows on a bad day you’ll argue and say we’d still rather have you here. That’s not going to change. But since it cannot change as we would like it our way, she says, “Look at it that way.” As she says, like your daughter lives in a country that is completely safe and happy. And nothing can, no harm can come to her in any way. And going on with her life, doing exactly what she wants to do. Along with her grandmothers, gone on to visit family who is also in a happy, safe place. And that’s why she says, emotionally …even with you, she admits, her mom, you, do suffer in silence a great deal. So she’s trying to put you in a safe place in here. Sometimes she knows, how...how are you supposed to feel? You know you try to deal with it, yet you get pissed. You don’t know who to be pissed at. Blame somebody over there, that, you know, why did this happen to me. As your daughter says, there is nothing that any uh one over there would cause this to happen to you. It is not like you got selected. She says again, if you look upon her as her own person, which she is, this was part of her spiritual journey. And both of you have chosen to walk that with her. Because she says she has learned over there God never allows us or encourages us to take on anything or make any decision that we are not capable of. So she says, “It takes guts to be bereaved parents. It’s a difficult journey, but it’s a fulfilling journey.” She says, “You have to trust me on that. That when the day comes when you come here, it will seem as if I left in one moment and you followed in the next. And the journey is fulfilling” …… (slight laugh)… I don’t mean to laugh, but she says, “Right now, they are not interested in all that... But someday you will understand, because eventually you will have to show up there. And she jokes that you will find out that she is right, as usual. So she holds her ground on that. She is confident that one of these days it will all come to full blossom. But I think that she tells me she’s going to pull back. And she says she is. But she embraces both of you with love…and to her brothers and her family…and friends here on the earth. Whom she considers friends by choice. Even if, you know, you don’t see them anymore it’s …she still calls out and she says, “I know I am calling out. And they can feel my presence anyway.” But she embraces both of you with love. You know the other people that were in the room, like your friend Steve and, you know, Mary, other relatives are there with her, reach out to the two of you, but it’s obvious you came to hear from your daughter. So that’s why they want to make sure that, um, they didn’t interfere too much, but just give you the comfort of knowing she is with people who love her and cherish her as you do. Certainly your daughter knows that you both love her, and she loves you. Always know that. And all is well. She says, “When Mother’s and Father’s Day comes around don’t feel that you are not completely parents. It’s just that your daughter lives somewhere else right now…because eventually you will come to visit and you’ll stay. But when you finish up, you’re still your own persons on your own road. But your daughter embraces both of you with love and again to her brothers and family. The others do so. And your pal Steve comes back again blessing you both for remembering him and it makes him feel good that he brought her through and everything went accordingly. So remember in the beginning when you weren’t sure and even I started saying, “Oh come on, this sounds like,” you know, we weren’t sure who it was? I remember I said in my mind, I said, “I know who you are but if he doesn’t know who you are, this sounds like a lot of whooey to me and I am going to stop it,” and he was like, “Welllllll” and started freaking out but it snapped him to attention. He's like I didn’t say anything that you know that you know that the he doesn't know (inaudible). Then when he started explaining himself, it made it a little better so. All right, they are telling me to release but in any case again, your daughter embraces both of you with love. The others do too, but her especially and as she says, pray for her and know she is with you. Especially close now.…always, but especially now. And just recognize that fact until we meet again. And with that, she signs off and the others do too. ...(inaudible). Okay and away they went. I’m glad I finally listened. I’ll tell you the truth. If this session had ended and I would have said to you, “Okay what was her name?” and you said that, I would have dropped dead right here.
KC: (Slight laugh)
GA: Because she showed me the name and she said that was her name but she had established the name was spelled differently. So I said in my mind, “Your name is Tiffany T I F F A N Y. That’s what you’re telling me.” And she said, “No, the spelling is different.” And I said, “Well there is no other spelling for it.” And she said, “Yes there is, it's T I F F A N I E . Oh wait... oh, that’s right, because T I F F A N Y is seven letters….That’s…..I remember her saying that she says, “Remember I showed you seven that you'll spell it with seven letters?” So when she said it was T I F F A N I E, I said, “No, that’s wrong. I’ve never seen it spelled like that. This..this info..this is wrong, this is misplaced information.” She flipped out. And she said, “You are only making it harder on yourself because that’s what my name is.” So then she, that’s why you heard me quietly talk, and the Y I E and that’s why I said it to you,”It doesn’t end in Y?” And you said, “Yes, it doesn’t.” She said, “I told you.” She says, “It ends in I E, it ends in that sound. But not that letter.” I said again, (inaudible) so I kept going, I said again, she said again about her name, I said, “No, if you can’t tell me your name, I’m not going to play like, you know, the, you know, rock around the clock here. It has to come out.” and she said, “I told you it and you won’t listen.” I said, “That’s impossible.” and then she brought it up again and she said, “Why don’t you just say it. What is the worst that will happen? They will say no. They don’t understand or if they, you know, they say they do.” So I said it, and then she said, “It’s me.”
KC: (Slight laugh)
GA: And when she said, “T I F F A N I E eight letters…” OOOOOOOOOOO… Oh well, but the point is, she won.
CC: Thank you.
GA: My pleasure. Thank, but thank her, she is just the instrument…I mean I am just the instrument. I have to make her work and I had to admit I made her work a little overtime. But she got it through, that’s the main thing.
GA: Have a nice night. You all take care, thank you, thank you…bye bye now.
KC: Thank you. Bye.
